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All right, I’m Dave Rubin and welcome to another Friday Round Table Extravaganza. Joining me today is the host of the Michael Knowles show on The Daily Wire and author of many non-New York Times bestsellers, Michael Knowles, and host of the Right Report and former CIA Ops officer, Brian Dean Wright. Gentlemen, welcome to the Reuben Report. It’s excellent to be with you both. Thank you for having me.

So glad to be here, brother. Michael, I’ll start with you because do you take offense? I mean, you’ve written many books, as far as I know, they’re all non-New York Times bestsellers. But in some ways, I actually meant that as a compliment.

I appreciate it. No, I wear it as a badge of honor now. I did not, the first time this happened to me, my book didn’t have words, so I said, okay, I’ll take it on the arm. Literally did not have words. You wrote a book with no words and it sold, I don’t know, by the way, 50,000 copies. Can I break some news on your show, right? Sure, sure, on this front. So I had one book with words, my first book, my greater magnum opus without words. I have just received word that my first foreign translation will now be published imminently and it will be the Hungarian translation of “Reasons to Vote for Democrats” coming out within days. So, to be clear, the book with no words will be translated into Hungarian. They are furiously translating the spaces and the gaps into the Hungarian language. That’s correct. Let me call my friends at the CIA. I think we can get some other languages for you. We will bust this thing open, man. It’s going to be a huge deal everywhere.

Well, that’s exactly why I wanted to have you both on for political insight and a little insider stuff on CIA and intelligence and all that because that seems to be what everything has been about over the last couple of weeks, between this now new 87th Trump indictment and just all of the political stuff in these primaries that’s heating up, and big tech, yada yada yada, everyone gets it. So I thought we would start today with some Tucker Carlson stuff. And we’re going to go through Trump and DeSantis and Pence and a whole bunch more. But the big thing of the week was Tucker Carlson at this Blaze Forum effectively ended the career, certainly the candidacy of former Vice President Mike Pence. Take a look.

Sorry, Mr. Vice President. Have you, I know you’re running for president, you are the threat. You are distressed that the Ukrainians don’t have enough American tanks. Every city in the United States has become much worse over the past three years. Drive around, there’s not one city that’s gotten better in the United States, and it’s visible. Our economy has degraded, the suicide rate has jumped, public filth and disorder and crime have exponentially increased. And yet your concern is that the Ukrainians, a country most people can’t find on a map, who’ve received tens of billions of U.S. tax dollars, don’t have enough tanks. I think it’s a fair question to ask. Like, where’s the concern for the United States in that?

Well, it’s not my concern, Tucker. I’ve heard that routine from you before, but that’s not my concern. I’m running for president of the United States because I think this country is in a lot of trouble.

Wow, it’s not his concern. Now look, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt on Twitter. I said he slightly misspoke because I think what he meant by “it’s not my concern” may have been a little bit more towards the tanks in Ukraine rather than the cities of the United States of America. But okay, Brian, he reads to me as a 1994 prime-time season 5 Simpsons caricature of a Republican. I don’t think it flies in 2023. What do you think?

Not at all. Look, had he said something to the effect of, “Hey, look, I’ve been to Ukraine. I’ve spoken to a variety of different officials there,” and what I know to be true is that the Russian government are using these Christian Orthodox leaders to manipulate the Ukrainian people. That’s why I’m concerned about, you know, the Christian leaders. He could have explained his position. But he didn’t. He just said, “Yeah, I talked to a guy. There’s nothing big going on there.” And then he just bumbled his answers. So, I’ll tell you, you were absolutely right. I think he pretty much ended his candidacy at that point. What a terrible answer when we all know that this country is struggling. What an awful way to respond.

Michael, do you see some of this as a sort of generational rift within the Republican Party? Like, I personally happen to be more in line with Tucker. I don’t know if I’m quite totally as isolationist as I think he is, but I’m pretty much on the libertarian side of this thing. I sense that you probably are, but it feels like the old guard versus the new guard. That sort of is what it boils down to, in a way.

It’s generational in terms of the voters. Right now, the younger voters are much more likely to be on the Tucker side of this than on the Mike Pence side, almost certainly. But it’s not generational in terms of the political figures. Don’t forget, the Tucker side is broadly embraced by Donald Trump, who is older than anybody in America, other than Joe Biden. The Tucker side is embraced by Pat Buchanan, who is like 500 years old. The Tucker side has a long tradition on the right, and that tradition went away for the past 30 or so years, but it’s come back, and it’s come back with a vengeance. And so, the people who are now articulating this view that we need to constantly be involved in wars all around the world, with no particular strategic objective other than just kind of being there, they seem really out of touch. I’m with you. I think Pence not only misspoke, obviously, but I think he’s being wilfully taken out of context by people who were attacking him. But even on that front, I get why people are doing it. To me, it’s kind of like when somebody calls someone else a racist slur. Maybe that means that the person who’s using the slur is a racist, but very often it doesn’t. Sometimes you call somebody a racist slur because they don’t like me. Already, they’re just going to attack me any way they can. And I kind of think that’s what’s going on with Pence here. I don’t think people really believe that Mike Pence says the American interest is not my case, right? They don’t like Pence already. They don’t like him for whatever he’s done in his career. They don’t like him for the vision that he’s presenting for the country. And so they’re just going to attack him anyway. It’s moving in the opposite direction of what the critics are saying right now. But the end result is the same. The Pence campaign just looks dead in the water. And then at that point, just because of the way the internet works now, it doesn’t matter if the rest of the half hour with Tucker is 99% on point. That’s the clip that’s going to go, and the rest of it is irrelevant. I’m not saying that it was, but that’s the way it operates now.

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In this episode of “The Rubin Report,” Dave Rubin sits down with Michael Knowles and Bryan Dean Wright to discuss the aftermath of Blaze Media’s “The Summit, hosted by Tucker Carlson”. They delve into Tucker Carlson’s controversial handling of Mike Pence’s defense of military support for the Ukraine war, and how he seemingly ignores the pressing issues of crime-ridden cities and other domestic problems. The panel also debates whether it was a wise decision for Donald Trump and Chris Christie to steer clear of the summit.

The conversation then turns to Donald Trump’s comments about the Deep State at the Turning Point USA conference, sparking a discussion about the latest news surrounding a possible Trump indictment. One particularly poignant topic is a heartfelt message from a Trump supporter to Ron DeSantis, highlighting the strong connection and unwavering support that exists within the Trump base.

The panel also delves into the reasons why the Democratic Party appears to be so determined to destroy Robert F. Kennedy Jr., examining the motives and potential consequences of such actions. Nancy Pelosi’s weak defense of Joe Biden’s age to MSNBC’s Mika Brzezinski is also discussed, shedding light on the political strategies employed by the Democratic Party.

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