- April 4, 2024
- Posted by: legaleseblogger
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## Suspicious Drone Activity at Work
Yesterday at work, I was informed about a suspicious individual flying a drone over our fuel depot. Upon approaching him, he claimed to be filming for his YouTube channel, refusing to disclose its name. Despite my concerns, he asserted his right to film without providing any further information.
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I contacted the authorities, and after a discussion with the individual, it was made clear that flying a drone over a fuel terminal is unsafe. However, he still declined to reveal his identity or channel details and eventually departed the scene.
### Dealing with an “Auditor”
Upon researching his YouTube channel, I discovered that he identifies as an “auditor,” someone who films business/government premises to assert their legal rights. Despite being on public land while filming, I was on private property and did not consent to being recorded.
### Seeking Removal of Video
Today, I found that he had posted the video online. While a police report has been filed and the video reported, I am concerned about the exposure of my identity and workplace in the local community. Are there any additional steps I can take to have the video taken down and safeguard my privacy?
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I’ll try to simplify this.
Yes he can film you and the depot. It’s all in public, there’s no expectation of privacy and consent is not needed.
Yes he can fly his drone over the depot (i’ll assume they know the legislation around weights and operator ID etc, they all do….). Unless you can prove me wrong, in legislation that it is an offence to do so, he is within his rights (as I believe he is).
All done in public, good luck trying to get the video taken down, as again consent is not needed.
You haven’t disclosed any offences, police won’t do anything. I wouldn’t have entertained an offence with what you’ve said.
You’ve played in to his hands a gave them a good video, hard lesson to be learnt when going on the internet.
He can film into private property yes. You may have filed a police report, but have they identified any offences?
The rule with these clowns is to not engage, that is all they are after – a reaction.
There is no legal right to privacy when out in public, even on private property, if you can be seen from public areas then there is no expectation of privacy.
If he was complying with all drone flying regulations then what he did is perfectly legal. You could argue disruptive, stupid, antagonistic, dumb, annoying or time-wasting, perhaps. But it’s legal.
I say this as a drone owner and operator – I hate nothing more than idiots who make the hobby less appealing and more hated. But I also have to state that, if he was obeying all the laws, then what he did is protected by law.
You cannot have the video taken down, no laws were likely broken, and the police wouldn’t really have been very interested unless a specific offence was committed.
> he was told it was unsafe to fly his drone over a fuel terminal
Says who? Is that an opinion, or a legal fact? I believe the former as there is nothing in UK aviation or drone operating codes that states this.
With these auditors, the best thing to do is be a grey rock. They want you to do what you did – have a reaction to them. Many of them get off on the antagonistic side, and they want to be persecuted.
Let them get on with it, don’t react, if they break a law, call the police. If you’re annoyed but they’re operating within the law, there’s nothing that can be done.
Auditors generally claim they want to educate people on the rights of people to film in public. Of course they enjoy trolling people but public photography (even from a drone) is a right which people generally do have, but often come up against others trying to prevent them doing it. The public’s knowledge on public photography is poor.
He’s allowed to fly the drone wherever he wants as long as it’s 249g or under, and there are no airspace restrictions, and as long as he isn’t using it to commit an offence. It’s very unlikely your place of work has airspace restrictions. The police wouldn’t be able to do anything about a person engaging in a lawful activity.
If you told him he wasn’t allowed to film you will have given him exactly the content he was looking for. It’s similar to marching over to someone walking their dog and demanding they take their dog home immediately because you disapprove of it. You can’t expect someone to comply with your instructions to cease a lawful activity.
The good news is that you can submit a privacy complaint using the YouTube form and he may well have to go back and blur you out (which is quite a bit of a hassle for him). Sometimes they won’t uphold the complaint but if they do, make sure you rewatch his edited video in full to ensure you’re fully blurred out throughout the entire thing as the software often misses sections which means your face will still be visible sometimes. If this happens resubmit your privacy complaint.
If you want to cause maximum hassle wait until he has republished his video with your face blurred and then get your colleagues to submit separate YouTube privacy complaints so he has to do it all again.
Just be aware if he’s published the video on other platforms he probably won’t need to blur you out as generally they do not enforce privacy complaints as much as YT.
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My understanding is that in the vast majority of circumstances, if something can be seen from a public place, it can be recorded from a public place. From what you’ve said, they were in a public place when filming you and did not trespass on the company property. Therefore, the publication of the recording of the conversation on YouTube or elsewhere will be very difficult to legally challenge. The auditor was using the drone flight as bait and got the bite he was looking for.
As for whether flying the drone over or around the fuel depot is legal, it is now effectively for the police and CPS to decide. That said, the auditors are usually pretty careful to stay just on the right side of the law because baiting the police brings in far more views and internet points among their community than baiting site security.
You were standing in a publicly visible place, and you went outside to confront him. You have no expectation of privacy in this scenario.
You don’t need consent to film in public, including filming private land. He doesn’t need your consent to film nor to upload the video to YT, and in any case there’s a strong argument to be made that you gave it when you engaged with him knowing he was filming.
As a general rule, when somebody tells you to enforce a regulation or in this case a “directive” that they claim exists, ask them what the legal basis for this is, in writing. People have a tendency to make stuff up to support a viewpoint they have (and the guy’s YouTube channel is specifically all about calling this out publicly). If you go along with this without question, it won’t do you any favours. It happens in many industries.
He wants this reaction from you. Just ignore it and move on with your life, like you said, he’s just a bloke with too much free time
As long as the drone pilot is registered, drone marked with registration and they comply with all rules in CAP658 of the Air Navigation Articles, they aren’t doing anything wrong.
Are you doing the fella that knocked the controller out of his hand and got aggressive…. saw a short on YouTube…?
Not really much you can do, you could tho blur out your face in the video if you want to. But that’s about it, even if you get the video taken down (unlikely), they can always just upload it again.
Best thing to do in these situations is to say nothing and not to engage, then he wouldn’t have content to post or the video will get very little views and be boring. But it’s too late for that now as the video is online and idk if you made yourself the subject of the video. I do enjoy these videos tho, it’s actually quite entertaining.
No laws broken.
They know this, thats why they do it.
You might consider these people idiots who dont have anything better to do, but popular youtubers will make a decent living off their content, especially when employees come out kicking off (its VERY good for their views).
You could contact the platforms the videos have been uploaded onto, but from the sounds of it there is no legitimate reason why it should be taken down.
You called the police, there is not really much more you can do. If any laws were broken they may pursue the individual.
You have no expectation of privacy when you’re in a public area or publicly accessible area. There’s nothing you can do. If you don’t want to be filmed- don’t approach the person with a camera. Whatever the eye can see from public can be filmed, unless there’s a reasonable expectation of privacy- i.e. your private dwelling.
If you don’t think there should be flying over your site, then take it up with the Civil Aviation Authority- you have no control over the airspace.
There’s no crime being committed and the old bill will just be wasting their time if they come out and get into a war of words with this person. They could check the weight of the drone, operator ID etc, but they should really only be doing that if they suspect some funny business.
You could try sending a complaint to YouTube I suppose, but that’s a hit and miss process.
FWIW, if you see these folks about, ignore them and they’ll go away.
I don’t think there is any legal basis for it to be taken down, but your best bet is YouTube terms and conditions, I believe if you tell them you feel harassed by this they will act (not sure if that is take the video down or just blur your face). My source for this was watching an auditor video and they mentioned they had had to remove something when someone complained to YT.
NAL, but SIA licensed CCTV operator.
As others have said, he is recording in an public place, so he is well within his rights to record.
The only exceptions are
– If he is either doing it to harass someone,
– Invade someone’s privacy,
– It forms part of the commission of a crime or an act of terrorism (“hostile reconnaissance”).
These social media “auditors” tend to know the law very well and will push it as close to the limit as they can without breaking the law. It’s likely that they haven’t broken the law and that there will be nothing you can do. Unless the airspace is restricted and assuming they are in compliance with the CAA drone rules then thay can fly over and take pictures of whatever they want.
Their aim is to provoke confrontation and get you to respond to their legal actions in a hostile way which they will then film and upload to their social media channels.
The NPSA has some good advice for how to deal with them
https://www.npsa.gov.uk/resources/social-media-auditors-guidance
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How big was the drone? Over 250g and he needs to have an operator id.
You can also use dronesafetymap.com to determine if your facility is a non-fly zone – much of London is in one for example.
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There aren’t many laws to prevent it. I’ve seen the videos and they basically harass people by invading their privacy at work. Yes, no laws against it, but it’s hardly fair making employees feel at unease because someone is purposely filming someone for no apparent reason but YouTube views.
Put it this way, I don’t think upskirting was a criminal offence either until it became a massive problem. What does that say about it.
NAL
NAL. No privacy in public. He can film into any private land. Best thing to do is go somewhere private. You can’t stop him from posting it.
If this happens again, go outside and play copyrighted music through a speaker or phone so that he can hear it and he won’t be able to monetise the video. He’s profiting on your distress.
If you have ever seen one of these pricks, there used to be only one way to deal with them.
Completely ignore them.
I bet they there’s lots of videos that they never upload because security just says ok crack on mate, then calls the police, who probably don’t turn up before the auditors got bored and gone home.
The only thing these clowns want is a reaction from someone and, unfortunately, you gave them it.
Little real action you can take on the video from how you have described the situation, from a legal perspective.
I know exactly who you are on about, nothing can be done about it. They do it to police stations and all sorts. Weirdo but sure fuck it
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Too late now of course but if I ever had to deal with these so called auditors would be to continually ask how much money he makes from the videos. These guys are just professional agitators that make money from social media.
They manage to delude their audiences that they are somehow taking a stand against the “police state”.
There is nothing you can do as he was on public land and you were in an open car park. If his drone actually flew over the terminal it might be an offence. To be clear though, making a fuss in these cases will often just draw attention to you. If you ignore it, the video won’t get much attention. After all, you were just standing in a car park – that’s boring.
Dj audits? If so he’s a real class act /s
> So yesterday at work I was told about someone suspicious hanging about outside flying a drone over our fuel depot.
Assuming it was larger than a 250g micro drone, if there is a next time then you should remind him that there are CAA regulations about where you can fly a drone.
One of them being [“Keep at least 150m away from residential, recreational, commercial and industrial sites”](https://register-drones.caa.co.uk/drone-code/where-you-can-fly#:~:text=Keep%20at%20least%20150m%20away%20from%20residential%2C%20recreational%2C%20commercial%20and%20industrial%20sites)
Also ask them if they have the required [Flyer and Operator IDs](https://register-drones.caa.co.uk/individual).
Conceivably you could phone 101 and report them for unsafe flying if they’re breaching the CAA drone rules.
The important thing to me is FUEL TERMINAL.
Try every single avenue, if he is making any money then HSE. Council, police, drone licence people, local papers. Just make his life a misery via all legal means.
Bet it was a bloke on a little orange bike, right?