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## The Challenges of Identity and Legal Documents in the Irish Foster Care System

I have a friend who grew up in the Irish foster care system. All of her legal documents were burned at one point by a negligent foster parent’s partner, and at another point in the past, she apparently disappeared from the legal records. She no longer has a government identity, and thus she cannot procure replacement documents. Another one of her past foster parents was high-ranking in the judicial system, and my friend suspects that this parent played a part in removing her records. Whether or not this is true, my friend cannot get a job, cannot get healthcare except with her EU health card (which will expire soon – it automatically renewed while she was in the foster care system, and now she has aged out of it), and cannot emigrate. She’s worked with paralegals, she’s worked with social workers, and no one has been able to find a way to grant her a new identity as an Irish citizen. She currently gets by living with foster parents and doing freelance programming work.

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19 Comments

  • DutchTinCan

    There’s always a paper trail. Starting with the foster system; they should have records of her being placed, and I cannot imagine they don’t record your social security number.

    For the rest, I expect them to need an attorney. Possibly try and find one through a human rights NGO; after all, she has the right not to be stateless.

    They might be able to help out.

  • Bagasshole

    Your friend is lying to you. If she was born in Ireland, she will have a birth record, she must know her birthday. She could literally search on Ancestory.com or contact social services. She could speak to the Garda

    This whole situation is bizarre and you need to be very cautious around this ‘friend’

  • imaginesomethinwitty

    I was willing to entertain this until a high ranking member of the judiciary removed her records. This sounds like mental illness or lying.

  • Necrotechxking

    She grew up in the Irish system but she is not Irish? Was she born in Ireland? If not then she is, to all onlookers, an undocumented migrant? And they have separate channels to get a new id.

  • Rutgerius

    A very strange case, so she claims to be Irish but a foster parent burned all her documents and now neither she nor the government have any copies? She forgot her d.o.b, p.o.b. and full name aswell? The foster care agency also refuses to help? They should have all her info from when she joined, using that she can easily request a new passport. She should just book an appointment with a civil servant from the passport office or city hall, a social worker isn’t going to be able to do anything about this directly, never mind some random paralegal. She should get in contact with the issuer of the documents that were destroyed, they’ll have the originals. Losing documents happens all the time and replacing them isn’t hard (though a little expensive) so I don’t understand why in her case everything would be impossible and hard unless there’s stuff they’re not telling/lying about.

  • vlinder2691

    If she was born in Ireland she can request a new birth certificate from her local civil registration office or online.

    If all her documents were destroyed she should have reported it.

    If she previously had a passport then the passport office would have a record of it.

    If she registered for a PPSN then there would still be a record of that.

    Social care workers won’t do anything. I highly doubt a foster parent would go through the effort of “erasing” someone from the records. That’s utter BS if that did happen someone would have copped on to it.

    What age is this friend? If this all happened when she was in foster care then that’s complete BS, schools would have noticed.

    Edit:

    Op I would be cautious of this “friend” for your own sake. You can call me cynical if you like but this whole thing does not sit well with me at all.

    EU health card she has I assume it’s what used to be called the E111 card? You need a PPSN for that and there’s no automatic renewal you have to renew online. If what she is saying is true and it was renewed automatically (which it hasn’t been in years) it lasts for 4 years so if this still happened she was in foster care she’s at most in her early 20s?

    Sorry I call BS over this whole thing. Documentation and record keeping have come a long way since I was growing up a lot more of it being digital. There should 100% be an online record somewhere.

    There’s also no way especially with her age that Tusla would place a child with a foster family without any sort of record or identity on file.

    Your friend may need some help if she is making all of this up. And I truly wish she does get some help even taking into consideration she may have some PTSD from the foster card system in general and the abusive partner of a former foster parent.

  • Petty_Loving_Loyal

    Like a few here, I’m calling shenanigans on this. In as relaxed a nation we are, we’re not that bloody clueless. If she was genuinely in fostercare there are definitely records. If she had an RSI. Number it’s in the system. If she has an RSI number her residence/ entry point or birth is recorded.

    There’s an angle here somehow OP, and frankly I believe she’s playing you. Or this post is a poorly written work of fiction. Not too sure which.

  • badscriptwriters

    If she has her health care card it’s linked to her PPS number which would make her easier to trace. She should be able to gee info back via Tusla, or a different social worker or her schools which would have had copies of her documentation too or her GP.

  • maphut

    >a way to grant her a new identity as an Irish citizen.

    New identity? That’s a bit of a different question to replacing stolen /lost documents!
    I’ts a bit sketchy looking for new identity as irish citizen and not having any record of being in foster care?? She is approaching 18, maybe in the 60s/70s there would be no record and this is legit but there is no way from 2000s onwards there is no record of her, Human Rights charities would be helping her not a friend on reddit. Not surprised she’s had no luck.

  • ever_precedent

    How old is she and did she have Irish passport? Her biometric data should be stored if she had a passport in the past 10 years or so. It should be possible to use that to prove identity even if the circumstances are unusual.

  • Dad_Feels

    Following because I also had a negligent and controlling “family” member destroy all documentation. :/

    However, surely registration in the foster care system would count for something?

  • Thijs_NLD

    Sounds like the easiest way is to just apply for new citizenship. As if she is an undocumented refugee or immigrant. That might provide the fastest way to citizenship.

    If all records were destroyed and she does not know her social security number etc. Then there is no way to prove she is who she says she is.

  • Evening_Mulberry_566

    Check for her birth certificate, school records, records in the foster care system, doctors records, vaccination records, insurance records. I assume all of these contain her national registration number and/or enough personal data to identify her.

    Also, how did she get an EU health card if she isn’t in Ireland’s central database?

    It’s also hard to believe someone, even someone with power, would have access to the central registration database and would be able to delete their whole existence.

    There’s also laws against letting someone become stateless. Ireland can’t easily deny her her Irish nationality if she once had it and she doesn’t have another nationality.

  • Prince____Zuko

    Wow, your firend’s foster parents must really hate your friend.

    But there WILL be paper records in some archive (birth certificate). She/he just needs to find out where she/he was born and then go there. Or she asks at literally any municipal office what to do. They know best.

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  • GalacticusTravelous

    Maybe start at the office of deaths, marriages and births closest to where she was born? They will at least tell them how to get a new birth certificate and from there the pieces should fall into place.

  • veicant

    Sounds like a nigerian scam

  • flying_pineapple_7

    Have you actually met this person in real life? It sounds like a scam.

  • hangrygecko

    You might want to call her GP and ask for a wellness check. This sounds more like a psychiatric or personality disorder (or she’s a illegal alien) than IRL legal problems. This is not how civil registration works nor how child protection services operate. There would be a paper trail and it would be extremely easy. She just needs to check the GRO (General Register Office of Ireland). This is why European countries have had birth and death registers for 200 years (another reason is conscription); to avoid the legal non-existence of individuals.

    This documentation is never just in one place (ie the home of a citizen).